“But is [herd immunity] really true? Is it truly so that vaccinating protects others, and that failing to vaccinate endangers others? For the precious few with the courage to question the forced vaccination propaganda, and accept the truth, based on credible, non-CDC science, is no, or, more accurately, absolutely not.
Vaccine-induced herd or community immunity is scientifically impossible. It is a brilliant piece of marketing, using guilt to coerce behavior and drive drug sales. It is twisted genius in action, making intelligent, independent-thinking people ignore their honest, well-founded vaccine skepticism, and causing the rest to accept unlimited vaccinations without question.
There are two primary reasons why vaccinating oneself cannot protect others, and why failing to vaccinate cannot endanger others. The first is from the science of immunology, and we can describe it as waning antibody stimulation, post-vaccination. In short, vaccines only do one thing—stimulate antibody production to something similar but not the same as the infection. That antibody stimulation is temporary, lasting a few months or years. So the majority of the US population has had no so-called vaccine “protection” for several decades, without any resurgent epidemics of measles, mumps, pertussis, etc.
The second is from the science of population outcomes, or epidemiology. In all populations globally who have ever attained the ever-rising and completely arbitrary (read: made up) minimum threshold for vaccine uptake (% of a population who get vaccinated), outbreaks of vaccinated diseases still occur. This should, of course, be impossible, if herd immunity were actually true.”
— Michael Gaeta, DAc, MS, CDN
There is no herd immunity 
Where do I find “Made Up” to read? Can you please link to citations as well?
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This article: Evolution of Measles Elimination Strategies in the United States
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S17.full shows how the programme has been modified to respond to the results of measles immunisation since the 60s in USA. It’s apparent to me that ‘herd immunity’ has been extrapolated from natural immunity information and proven not to be the same.
More references and info can be found in my similar article to this one called:
THE MYTH-SELLING OF HERD IMMUNITY – http://www.homeopathical.com/news/the-myth-selling-of-herd-immunity
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What Is The Herd Immunity Theory?
-The theory of Herd Immunity was created on the basis of an observation done by a researcher named A.W. Hedrich in 1900-1931. He had been studying measles patterns in the US between 1900-1931 (years before any vaccine was ever invented for measles) and he observed that epidemics of the illness only occurred when less than 68% of children had developed a NATURAL immunity to an ENDEMIC illness. This was based upon the principle that children build their own immunity after experiencing or being exposed to the illness. So the Herd Immunity theory was, in fact, about NATURAL ENDEMIC ILLNESS PROCESSES and nothing to do with vaccination. VACCINES-were not part of the observation. If 68% of the population were allowed to build their own natural defenses, there would be no raging epidemic.
-Later on, vaccinologists adopted the phrase and increased the figure from 68% to 95% with no scientific justification as to why, and then stated that there had to be 95% vaccine coverage to achieve immunity. Essentially, they took Hedrich’s observation and manipulated it to promote their vaccination program.
(MONTHLY ESTIMATES OF THE CHILD POPULATION “SUSCEPTIBLE’ TO MEASLES, 1900-1931, BALTIMORE, MD, AW HEDRICH, American Journal of Epidemiology, May 1933 – Oxford University Press). Full Text (PDF)
By 1963, the death rate from measles in the United States had already dropped by approximately 98% ( Vital Statistics of the United States 1937, 1938, 1943, 1944, 1949, 1960, 1967, 1976, 1987, 1992; Historical Statistics of the United States.
– Colonial Times to 1970 Part 1; Health, United States, 2004, US Department of Health and Human Services; Vital Records & Health Data Development Section, Michigan Department of Community Health; US Census Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003; Reported Cases and Deaths from Vaccine Preventable Diseases, United States, 1950–2008.)
-VITAL STATISTICSRATES IN THE UNITED STATES 1940-1960
By Robert D. Grove, Ph. D. and Alice M. Hetzel
First Measles Vaccine, a dead virus one was quickly removed from the marketplace because it mutated into a variation when was called Atypical Measles or AMS(syndrome).
Atypical measles – a new phenomenon only in the vaccinated.
-It is less well known to the general public that vaccinated children started developing an especially vicious form of measles, due to the altered host immune response caused by the deleterious effect of the measles vaccines. It resisted all orthodox treatment and carried a high mortality rate.
It has become known as atypical measles. (AMS)
Rauh and Schmidt (1965) described nine cases of AMS which occurred in 1963 during a measles epidemic in Cincinnati. The authors followed 386 children who had received three doses of killed measles virus vaccine in 1961. Of these 386 children, 125 had been exposed to measles and 54 developed it [i.e. measles].
The new, atypical measles, occurring in the vaccinated was characterized by high fever, unusual rash and pneumonia, often with history of vaccination with killed measles vaccine (also characterized by an increased chance of developing brain swelling).
Rauh and Schmidt (1965) concluded that, “It is obvious that three injections of killed vaccine had not protected a large percentage of children against measles when exposed within a period of two-and-a-half years after immunization”.
Nichols (1979) wrote that atypical measles is generally thought to be a hypersensitivity response to natural measles infection in individuals who have previously received killed measles vaccine, although several investigators have reported AMS-like illness in children who had been vaccinated only with live measles vaccine.
***NOTE: there are now basically three (3) Measles strains: 1. Endemic 2. AMS 3. Current Vaccine strains-A*, B2, B3, C1, C2, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D11, G2, G3, H1, H2. There is only 1 vaccine for the 21 genotypes of Measles which is why Dr. Gregory Poland of the Mayo Clinic stated in 2012 the vaccine has failed. In 1994 he stated that Measles had become a disease of immunized people. Meaning-VACCINATED PEOPLE ARE CONTAGIOUS.
Live measles vaccine was distributed in 1966-7. Just on that basis alone antibody production could not be detected. Herd Immunity has no basis in vaccine-induced antibody production, it is not a scientifically validated concept, it is not an immunologic idea, but rather an epidemiological construct and cannot be applied to vaccinated communities because VACCINES were not part of the OBSERVATION.
Today millions of adults exist with having had no vaccines in decades (Baby Boomers) and millions of teenagers who have not had boosters. That is more than half of the country’s population. There have not been ANY EPIDEMICS in the US as a result of more than half of the population being unvaccinated.
The studies that have been done to prove the existence of Herd Immunity have all been done by CDC/HHS/IOM/IOH/think tanks associated with the government/universities with strong pharma (Harvard) and research groups funded by the pharmaceutical industry. Read the studies than follow the funding sources.
There are NO independent Gold Standard studies that prove the existence of Herd Immunity.
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There isn’t something called Made Up, he’s using a phrase that says: this means that, as in arbitrary means made up.
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Not my page but I think arbitrary was meant to be read as meaning ‘made up’.
Defined : /ˈɑːbɪt(rə)ri/
adjective: arbitrary
1. based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
“an arbitrary decision”
synonyms: capricious, whimsical, random, chance, erratic, unpredictable, inconsistent, wild, hit-or-miss, haphazard, casual; More
unmotivated, motiveless, unreasoned, unreasonable, unsupported, irrational, illogical, groundless, unjustifiable, unjustified, wanton;
discretionary, personal, subjective;
“an arbitrary decision from the top”
antonyms: rational, reasoned
2.(of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.
“a country under arbitrary government”
synonyms: despotic, tyrannical, tyrannous, peremptory, summary, autocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian, draconian, autarchic, anti-democratic; More
oppressive, repressive, undemocratic, illiberal;
imperious, domineering, high-handed;
absolute, uncontrolled, unlimited, unrestrained
“the arbitrary power of a prince”
antonyms: democratic, accountable
Herd Immunity Topics Discussed:
Dr. Suzanne Humpfreys
Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych
Click to access The_Deadly_Impossibility_Of_Herd_Immunity_Through_Vaccination_by_Dr_Russell_Blaylock.pdf
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She didn’t mean “made up” is something to read, but that, that is what you should understand she means when she says “arbitrary”
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He meant that is what the work arbitrary means by it’s definition on Google arbitrary means “based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.” so yes it means made up.
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Arbitrary basically means made up.. by definition it means”based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.” so yes made up.
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Uh, probably next to logic and common sense, where people don’t nag and whine constantly for sources and use their brain to test and see if something’s true rather than track everything down, which ultimately results in you conforming to your sense of reason anyway, only taking a shit ton of time with it.
Please stop being pretentious and condescending, and just check for youself. Criticism is okay, cynicism is not.
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Here’s a link to the ‘Evolution of Measles Elimination Strategies in the United States’
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S17.full
I feel it shows that ‘Herd Immunity’ has been estimated and extrapolated from the data obtained from Natural Immunity and implies that it is completely ‘made up’.
I wrote an article called ‘THE MYTH-SELLING OF HERD IMMUNITY’ – with references at the end:
http://www.homeopathical.com/news/the-myth-selling-of-herd-immunity
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Citations?
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So I read your article, I must confess how you can make those statements. What scientific rational can you provide for your assertions? Considering that your statements only cover say attenuated/inactivated vaccines but ignores Toxoid vaccines.
I use this as evidence that you don’t have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. Your citations my friend so maybe you can help me better understand your thinking.
The science behind Herd Immunity is pretty sound, I dare you to provide evidence that it isn’t. That would be difficult considering that you cannot provide evidence of a negative. However observing graphs of disease prevelance before and after Vaccination introduction would be pretty good evidence.
Here is a good read, tell if this helps with your perception of herd immunity doesn’t exist.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/
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Toxoid vaccines? How is a toxoid vaccine supposed to provide herd immunity?
Your statement shows that you don’t have the foggiest idea of how diseases are spread.
A toxoid vaccine will not prevent the vaccinated person from catching the pathogen, or passing it on. It simply prevents (or may prevent) that person from showing symptoms of the diseases. Therefore it will have no effect on herd immunity. It protects only the vaccinated person and no one else.
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I know how a toxoid works friend. Are you sure you do?
See bacteria need a route of transmission to spread from one host to another. Pertussis… For example really needs you to cough to spread. That raises the likelihood you will spread it to someone else.
However if you are asymptomatic or have lessened symptoms… I.e. from a toxoid vaccine…. You are less likely to spread the bacteria to someone else. No vaccines do not prevent bacterial from growing, your body kills it off. What a toxoid does is gets the body to produce antitoxin which is what it uses to counter act the Endo/exotoxi. Which is the byproduct of gram positive or negative metabolism. The Endo/exotoxin is what causes your symptoms.
Microbiology.. wanna borrow my book?
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This guy is an idiot. Obviously the letters after his name are made up degrees because he knows bugger all about immunology, biology and general science. The only letters that should accompany him are Pip.Shit and Bell.End.
No citations, no evidence, and 4 paragraphs of word salad. Next.
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I don’t believe Mr. Gaeta to be qualified to make these heavy claims without any sort of evidence to support his arguments. A quick search will reveal that Mr. Gaeta practices alternative medicine, acupuncture, and nutrition, which certainly does not qualify him to make factual claims about immunology without any external citations. Regardless, I will leave a constructive and evidence-supported response to this quote in hopes that Mr. Gaeta’s baseless and ad hominem opinions will carry less weight with those who visit this website.
Mr. Gaeta’s first claim states that “antibody stimulation” is present temporarily in the human body for a few months to a year, after which the body is again vulnerable to the virus in question. This is partially true. A study (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/197/12/1662.short), published by the Journal of Infectious Diseases based in Oxford, found that patients vaccinated for MMR within the past 1 to 5 years showed 97% seropositive (demonstrating immunity due to the presence of the antibody). For individuals vaccinated at least 15 years ago, that percentage drops to 58% seropositive. The CDC does actually recommend administering another MMR vaccine to susceptible adults without evidence of immunity (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm). Regardless, 15-year degradation is still significantly longer than the degradation rate suggested by Mr. Gaeta, and therefore his first point is exaggerated and not supportable.
Mr. Gaeta’s second claim states that, because the United States meets the minimum threshold for vaccine uptake required to qualify for herd immunity, we should be 100% free of these diseases. I will begin my rebuttal with an example by pointing out that, in fact, measles was “eliminated” from the United States in the year 2000 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm). Mr. Gaeta seems to have completely missed the obvious fact that the transmission of infectious diseases occurs very easily in the modern world, and even if measles is eliminated in the United States, this does not mean that measles has been driven to extinction worldwide. As long as a disease still exists somewhere in the world, there will still be cases of a disease in the United States. Herd immunity does not create an invisible wall which prevents that disease from ever crossing our borders; it simply prevents epidemics by severely hindering the spread of the disease. In a modern country where these types of epidemics have already been greatly reduced through herd immunity in the past, many individuals (such as Mr. Gaeta) have lost sight of the consequences we are protecting ourselves against. This oversight became very apparent in a recent even where California experienced at least 133 cases of measles in 2014 (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/16/393336901/vaccination-gaps-helped-fuel-disneyland-measles-spread). This article goes on to state that the vaccination rate was likely somewhere between 50% and 86% in those affected populations, well below the minimum vaccination rate required for herd immunity. It has become clear that any significant outbreaks which have occurred in the United States in recent history have occurred due to low vaccination rates, a detail which Mr. Gaeta deliberately excluded from his argument.
I welcome any and all discussion regarding the rebuttals I have detailed above.
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There are no credible rebuttals to TIM, even the Homeopathical uttered nonsense didn’t read the study that he posted which advocates for vaccination as the best means of defense and immunity.
“There have been 3 efforts to eliminate measles from the United States since the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963. To date, 10 major lessons have been learned from elimination efforts. First, elimination requires very high vaccination-coverage levels by age 2 years. Second,school immunization requirements ensure high coverage rates among schoolchildren. Third, a second dose of measles vaccine is needed to achieve satisfactory levels of immunity. Fourth, school immunization requirements can also ensure delivery of a second dose. Fifth, coverage assessment is crucial. Sixth, measles surveillance is critical for developing, evaluating, and refining elimination strategies. Seventh, surveillance requires laboratory backup to confirm a diagnosis. Eighth, tracking measles virus genotypes is critical to determining if an endemic strain is circulating. Ninth, once endemic transmission has been interrupted, internationally imported measles cases will continue and will cause small outbreaks. Tenth, collaborative efforts with other countries are essential to reduce imported measles cases”
“Implementation of the current elimination strategy has led to a dramatic further decline in measles cases. Fewer than 150 cases were reported each year during 1997–2000, a >90% reduction from the previous record low seen in 1983. Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, a late complication of measles, has virtually disappeared from this country. The incidence for the period 1997–2000 was <1 case/1 million people. Other articles in this supplement document the recent history of measles in the United States and provide the rationale for asserting that we have finally achieved the target initially identified 30 years ago—the elimination of measles as an endemic disease in this country. "
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S17.full
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‘Herd Immunity’ for people vaccinated against measles doesn’t follow the Hedrich (1931) model – http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=619215
Lessons learned from the immunisation efforts include discovering 1 shot wasn’t enough. Do you know why it was thought one shot would be enough? Natural measles is nearly always life-long.
This is what I believe to be true, from what I have seen and what I have learned. This is not a judgement. I’m not anti-vax, just pro-choice.
Measles vaccine was expected to behave like natural immunity, it doesn’t.
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@Homeopathical: I don’t quite understand your point. CDC recommendations haven’t suggested simply one MMR shot for measles in a very long time. Here is a link from 1998 which recommends two MMR shots: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00053391.htm
This indicates to me that nobody has believed that measles immunization with a single shot would provide life-long immunity since at least 1998, a good 18+ years ago. I’m not exactly sure why the difference between natural and vaccination immunity has any effect on the validity of herd immunity – are you suggesting that vaccination immunity is not implemented well enough for proper immunization? If so, see this study (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/197/12/1662.short) which I linked above. I agree that one shot isn’t enough, which is exactly why the CDC recommends and has historically recommended more than one shot.
I think most people would rather have a few shots rather than risk suffering through a potentially fatal disease, especially when you consider the social and economic costs of controlling an epidemic. You also need to consider that immunocompromised individuals have a much higher probability of death when contracting a disease like measles, and herd immunity is also designed to protect those individuals who are very susceptible to a highly contagious disease like measles and are too weak to receive an MMR vaccine.
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Herd Immunity data doesn’t extrapolate to vaccinated individuals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3821823
If you don’t want to get measles, have a measles jab (MMR), and continue having them as the newest protocol suggests.
Measles is unlikely to kill you… Neither is the vaccination. Your choice, or more likely, your parents’ choice.
It was discovered that the immunisation to measles wasn’t lifelong when immunised individuals were getting measles later on in life. The first indication that natural and vaccination induced immunity differ.
Do you understand my point now?
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@Homeopathical
I’m still not sure I understand your point; to say that a communal strategy (herd immunity) does or does not apply to the individual simply does not make sense. Herd immunity was never intended to strengthen the immunity of the individual; it simply hinders the widespread transmission of the virus.
That is certainly an interesting article, but it’s unfortunate that I can’t see the full text of the article to get the full implications of this data. I would like to challenge your implication that the measles virus and the MMR vaccine are exactly the same now as they were 29 years ago in 1985. I’d also like to point out the use of the terms seropositive and seronegative – seropositive indicates active presence of antibodies in the students. For those students, none contracted measles. Of those without antibodies detected in the serum, only 14 contracted measles. 14 is certainly a significant number of students, but that’s actually less than 1% of the school’s tested population, and it’s not an epidemic. If there had not been a significant amount of vaccination in the school, that number would have been MUCH higher.
No immunologist ever said that vaccination or herd immunity was 100% perfect. Yes, there is still a chance that you can contract measles. Note that 99% of the school’s population had records of vaccination, meaning 1% of the population had no record of vaccination. I’m sure several of those 14 students who contracted the disease were also in the unvaccinated population, which reduces the observed probability of a vaccinated individuals contracting the disease even further. Without the full article, I can’t back up these derived observations, but I find them reasonable enough to suggest.
In light of this example, I think it’s also worthwhile to note that herd immunity is primarily a protection against large-scale epidemics, not very localized outbreaks. The school setting is one of the densest common populations in our world, so it should be no surprise that the concept of herd immunity doesn’t apply as well to those populations well above average density. Remember, herd immunity is NOT a guarantee of anything and does not strengthen the immunity of the individual; it simply reduces the spread of a particular outbreak. If anything, I consider this Texas school example a positive one which demonstrates the power of herd immunity because it limited the outbreak to <1% of the population. Measles is a very contagious disease which could have affected a large majority of the school in an unvaccinated scenario.
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Homeopathical has no idea what Herd Immunity is… and continues to demonstrate a lack of understanding on the topic.
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@mynursesface
Can you point me in the direction of reliable research that demonstrates that ‘herd immunity’ for vaccinated people is the same as that for unvaccinated people?
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Are you out of cotton picking crashed mind??.
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Very true. Thank you for speaking up.
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What are your sources? I see no citation and therefore have no reason to believe your post.
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“There are unanswered questions about vaccine safety.. no one should be threatened by the pursuit of this knowledge. i think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation.” Dr. Bernadine Healy, MD (former director, National Institute of Health and former president, american red cross)
“In my medical career I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.” governmental hearing Philip Incao, MD reported what many other MDs have stated
“There are studies now that show that there is an epidemic rise in allergies, asthma, and eczema in vaccinated kids. Diabetes is associated with certain vaccines. Autism, almost always seems to follow vaccination… For that reason i encourage parents NOT to vaccinate their children. I don’t call it immunization because the only REAL form of immunization is to get the wild disease.” Dr. Robert Rowen, MD
“Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950’s with the spread of mass vaccination.” Dr. Harris L. Coulter, PhD
“vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths.” Dr. Viera Scheibner, PhD
“The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.” Dr. James A. Shannon, MD (former director, National Institutes of Health)
“We are setting up the younger generation for a potential calamity. Vaccines build up only one line of your immune system(the antibody system) but put the main immune system(cellular immunity) to sleep. You need both for full developed immunity.” Dr. Robert Rowen, MD
“the harm from vaccines has seriously exceeded the benefit of disease prevention”— Dr. Harold Buttram
“The CDC was assuring everyone that the vaccine (swine flu) was perfectly safe…’Just like water’…You know the disaster that followed; after 1,000 cases of paralysis were reported, the CDC reluctantly admitted they were caused by the vaccine.”
-Dr. Thomas E Stone, MD; Open letter to pediatricians on flu vaccines
“There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.”
Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food
and Drug Administration
“The greatest threat of childhood disease lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization.”
Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Pediatrics (How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor)
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Actually vaccines build nothing but a toxic nemesis, have you seen in the US now the medical private companies are ‘prescribing’ vegetable boxes instead of drugs to ‘treat’ diseases. They have worked out that it is cheaper, faster acting and has no side effects!
For years the sanity health movement has been knocked for trying to promote diet, now doctors think they own it. I bet the next stupid will be having to get a prescription to cook dinner.
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Relying on the CDC and medical peer review citations as ‘evidence’ is a bit of a joke really. Horton and Smith, editors of the Lancet and British Medical journal and also the editor of the New England Journal of medicine are all on the record as saying ‘most of what is published in medical peer review is utter nonsense or incorrect due to funding and selection bias.
All the septics posting here ie Nurse face, are good examples of people who have learned not to think but blindly follow the church of pubmed with it’s priests Ernst and Singh. Funny how the only people calling for mandatory vaccine tyranny, using appeals to emotion are the newspapers, septics and Pharma companies and politicians. Follow the money there.
Last year in a British Medical Journal Poll, doctors rejected compulsory vaccination, most of them don’t do it every year.
Trust me, I am not a doc!
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